To Jeffery

Ha! I too got this CD from the sister of a friend. She repeatedly emailed me and asked me about the CD. It wasn’t the same CD, but I am sure it said basically the same thing. The friends sister asked for the CD back. I didn’t feel like paying for the envelope or the postage – so I tossed it.

I talked to my husband about it and he actually went to a “meeting” held by the company. He said he ended up paying $250 for a bunch of crappy powerbars (he’s a pretty level headed guy – so don’t ask me how they managed to get the $ out of him). Most of the “upper-management” at the meeting were Mormon. Then they had a candle-light vigil thanking God for their products. Maybe they sell all the powerbars to BYU. Hmmm, can I get a Hallelujah?

Adam
This will be my LAST post since you are clueless, uninformed and simply UNEDUCATED? And a college degree does not necessarily equate to being educated.

NO company can stay in business for 50 years like Amway Global and being an illegal pyramid scheme.

Team INA has been in business for 25 years and they do not sell a specific product for you to review. Team INA is not secretive, they are a FOR PROFIT organization (like many groups) designed to help support and encourage people to build Amway Global IBOs.
Before you go on a tangent of if they want to help us why do they charge us, don’t go there. Yes they make money by selling the material, but so do many others groups like Donald Trump, Robert Kiyosaki, Dale Carnegie and Brina Tracy. Its a business and they run it as such. I don’t begrudge anyone for selling their work.

They sell support material to help and encourage people in the development. No one is required to purchase the material. People like me buy it to help us grow and succeed. It is optional to buy and we choose to buy it.

Also it’s very arrogant of you to say “If TEAM INA is such a success why had I never heard of them before?” I am sure there are several individuals, groups & organizations that are very successful that you have never heard of!!! Just because you have never heard of someone does not mean they are not successful.

I happen to know Wade Simmons personally, he is a very successful person, a great person to know, he cares and loves his family very much and it shows. Just because you don’t know someone does not take away from their success.
You don’t get the business and most likely never will, Jeff tried to be kind and share a great opportunity with you. He did not try to manipulate you nor take advantage of your kindness, which at this point I seriously doubt you have much if any kindness. No approach is perfect, someone will always disagree with it. get over it and get over yourself.

Adam good luck with your pessimistic view of like and people. It’s people like you that can’t stand to see other people get further in life, that can’t fathom that there are people in the world willing to help others better themselves.

What is a traditional job, to you, is it not a pyramid scheme too? There is usually only 1 CEO, president, or whatever, that gets more money then the people that are starting out. The people at the top are getting paid for the hard work of the people on the lower rung of the “Corporate Ladder”. It is funny how a “Corporate Ladder” looks a lot like a pyramid. Are you ever going to make it the top of that ladder? Most will not.

Scamway is just a way to start a business for people that don’t have any other way to do it. They may get brought in under the assumption that they can make large amounts of money, but when you start any job, you think that you will be there forever and make it to a highly paid management job or higher in the company, by working hard or kissing the right A$$. Scamway is the same way, but you get paid for the effort you put into your company. Will you make as much as the person that started the company, no, but you can certainly make money.

I don’t agree with the way they go about getting their clients and wish that it was as easy as approaching someone and saying do you want a job. For some reason they believe in the song and dance of building your dreams and showing you what the company can do for you, instead of telling you straight out who they are. Most people have a bad taste in their mouths for Amway and a traditional approach is not possible. The bad taste has come from people thinking or being told that it is a pyramid scam, you can never make money and only are comfortable with earning money by working the boring traditional way and don’t think outside the box. It is by no means easy money, but it is a job.

I think of a pyramid scam as a company that asks you to send money straight to them and you get nothing in return. Then they tell you to recruit more people and they pay you what you sent to the person when you joined and then you send money to the top of the pyramid and so on. There is a fee to start up, but you are a small business owner then, with discounts on many products that you already buy, and you get a start up kit of products. If you do nothing else, you have simply bought some products, which in turn doesn’t sound like a pyramid scam.

Amyway has only gotten bigger and can be seen with commercials on Tv and in magazines. It is starting to get more main stream and more accepted, but the biggest thing, is that it is not for everyone, but neither is selling real estate, writing computer programs, or flipping burgers, but people don’t attack those jobs.

This makes me sick! I have been in several MLM’s and did VERY well, financially. However, I burned myself out bugging all my friends, relatives, neighbors, whatever and this was encouraged by the ‘top brass’. I have been to almost every Zig-Ziglar (God bless his memory!) and those who would like to be like him seminar. Pump you up-type events.

I, too, am disgusted by some people and sad for others that they just can’t take “NO THANK YOU” for an answer and they ALWAYS (in my case) can’t leave me alone by the people who can’t seem to understand that when they propose something that has to be sugar-coated before they can tell you exactly what it is they are ‘selling’!

In one instance, one of my fellow actors said, “My wife and I would love to come over and show you something just wonderful. (something similar)” I tried to find out just exactly what it was as we are extremely busy but because I had respect for him, we had them over to our home. He started in on his presentation (so to speak) and we kept asking, “Hmmm. This sounds like Amway. Is it?” Because we had NO INTENTIONS of doing anything even remotely similar to it because I am extremely knowledgeable to things like this. We kept asking and he was very evasive. Finally, it did come out and my husband, who is “Mr. Gentle Ben”, was so angered he basically threw them out of our home. We felt violated and were so angry we refused to ever see these people again. Trickery? You betcha! This is a common practice for these types of organizations because they KNOW people will probably not give them the time of day if they told them up front. They THINK that if they can just get their message of FINANCIAL SALVATION out to you, you will be overcome with the thrill of it all that you will sign up right now. Dah? I’m old and blonde but NOT dumb.

I’m with you … be honest, upfront and if someone is not interested – let it be.

Tired of being harrassed and tricked. Let it Be! Leave me to do what I enjoy doing, even thought YOU might think I could do better.

Old SMART blonde!

It is always interesting when I get a chance to review others opinions of the business that I am currently in. It is always good to see how others perceive things. I feel that the perceptions of others are truly based on the influences they have in there life that helps decipher every piece of information that they receive in all aspects of life to arrive at their decision.

This is what intrigued me most as I first started on the road to building a business under the TEAM INA Business model within the Amway Global Distributorship. I am an extremely skeptical person and always have been (spitting image of my father). I too really needed to get the facts and do the research before making a decision for my family.

I learned from a successful friend who owned his own Real Estate Brokerage that I trained under as a Realtor that if I want to learn how to be successful at something or learn of what is necessary to be successful at something I need to learn it from those that have succeeded at it, not those that have failed. I’m also religious and I found when I was living in the south if you want to learn about a specific religion, it is not the best practice to ask the questions to a religious leader of another faith. Getting the pure information about a business or whatever is the most important…opinion means nothing.

I knew of Amway before I became an IBO for them because both of my parents had joined while I was younger and never made anything of it. I decided that I was going to avoid the never ending opinions of Google searches and really focus on the companies that monitor business and enforce pyramid/ponze schemes. I figured they would have a good idea of whether this is a legit business or not. So I visited the FTC website and also the Better Business Bureau to see what they say.

Here is what I found:

http://www.bbb.org/western-michigan/business-reviews/multi-level-selling/amway-corporation-in-ada-mi-15000624

http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm (please reference the 3rd paragraph in the section titled “FTC Precedent from the 1970′s)

I found that the Amway Global organization set a precedent that there needed to be a distinction between pyramid schemes and legitimate businesses in the MLM industry. Ray Kroc had the same battle with the FTC over the Franchising mentality where it was argued that by taking a percentage of the profits of a business owner in return for the support needed to run the McDonalds model and product line.

This helped me to make an educated decision. I also learned that Amway Global is a Distributor and Team INA is a seperate organization. Everyone that is in Team INA is an Amway Global IBO, but everyone that is in Amway Global is not in Team INA. It is similar to the popular food distributor of Cisco Foods. They supply the food for both McDonald’s and Ruth’s Chris Stakehouse. Same products, different delivery. I found that intreguing and so did my parent’s when I informed them that I was involved in Amway. They were supprised at the difference in business focus and plan from how they were taught to build an Amway business.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that this business is unique to normal business methodology. In order to truly decide if the business plan is good, you need to see the full way that Team INA has designed their business plan. Team INA is accredited with Amway Global which means they meet the highest level of guidelines enforced by Amways Global in order to meet the FTC guidelines to be a successful MLM w/o being and illegal pyramid.

It has been a blessing to my family in many ways, and a blessing in my current employment as well because of all the unique skills and struggles you go through that I wouldn’t have been able to learn from anywhere else, in my opinion.

Keep working hard at whatever you do, and make as much of a difference in others lives as possible and I think that can equal success.

Thanks for your post Adam.

Respectfully, Chris

Adam,

I can understand your frustration when it comes to not knowing what Team INA does. Team INA is an organization within Amway Global of IBO’s that strictly follow a business model that promotes smart shopping while maintaining moderate retail customers. This design differs a bit from the Amway Global model and adds more structure to the building of the business for long term profit. Mainly we put the consumer in the game of sharing in the profit of their own and their customer’s purchases based on their participation in the retail process.

Amway Global has contracts with over a 1000 manufacturers, many of which you probably buy products from daily already. By side-stepping some of the middle men and having the products directly to the customer we create a pool of profit that we can share between us. A common misconception is that the person on top earns more that the person below. This is untrue as you would learn if you went a little farther with Jeff or even another INA IBO if you would feel more confortable.

I can’t really tell from what I read if you own your own business or if you work for someone else, but I am in the Banking industry for my full time job. Just like I tell my Personal Bankers that it is their job to profile the customer through asking the appropriate questions to find out what the customer’s needs are before they ever make a recommendation on a product or financial plan since it would be a waste of time if the customer truly doesn’t have a need for what you are offering.

Team INA uses cd’s or links to do the same thing. We are truly looking for self-motivated people that are open to looking at something different. Obviously this isn’t for everyone and it takes a specific desire to overcome some of the obsticles that we work through. These tools help trigger interest in certain people that have some of the needs we that we can help with. The Team INA prospecting method using the CD’s and the links online truly allows us the leverage to do this parttime without taking away from our normal 9-5 that pays our bills in the beginning.

Basically, Team INA does the Amway Global business the way they do for specific business purposes. We don’t appologize for this because from all the experiences that were referenced above, all the interactions with IBO’s were cordial and positive. The assumptions of a scam, which are legally proven to be incorrect and documented through my links above, included all the negativity. We are a very positive organization that gives those that want to learn about this opportunity in a safe environment without presure or manipulation the ability to do so and those that don’t, we give them their space.

If I were to give a Seminar I would create my agenda as the speaker in my own format to best relate to the class and get as much information accross to them in an orderly fashion. During my lecture I would then be able to read the groups needs based on their questions and interactions so that they walk away with the most comprehensive understanding.

Those who truly want to know about Team INA and their business model find a way to attend either a one-on-one appointment with an INA/Amway Global IBO or a larger Open that does the orientation of the simple plan. Unfortunately many people want us to give them a snippet of information in a nutshell of what we do. The human brain then makes an assumption based on personal experiences of someone that they know, who knew someone that had a relative, that did something with Amway and sold products door to door way back when, and believe we are doing the same thing so they say “no”. That is how I had initially perceived it with my parent’s experience as Amway IBO’s in the early 90′s. That isn’t a very informed decision and is a waste of time.

To answer your question about income being earned. It is just as inappropriate to ask someone what they make in our business as it is to ask one of your coworkers. Although for some reason people always feel that if I prove that I can have made money in this business they will somehow gain belief. Truly the opposite happens. From my own experiences they begin to come up with other reasons why I would be able to make that kind of money and they wouldn’t, so I don’t make it a habit of sharing that information. The other fact that is interesting is if someone was to open a new restaurant the majority of his friends and family would think it was an incredible idea and support him. They would also understand that income at the beginning is probably in the red for quite some time. Today people even come out of college tens of thousands of dollars in debt before they have even started creating income in the work force. According to statistics that were shared with me during training on my Banks Business Banking products 95% of all new businesses fail in the first 2 years in the traditional work environment and half of the remaining fail in 5 years. This truly leaves 2.5% of new businesses being considered a success.

Why should the Amway Global business be measured against a higher expectation of success? We can’t base Amway as a successful business opportunity by the average income of an IBO either. I work with many IBO’s who don’t have the intent or desire to make more than $500 a month in this business. They only want to do enough to cover the need they have, which may just be to cover a car payment. I have a couple folks that just want to move out of an apartment and into a home and that will only take a couple hundred dollars more a month. We have created a game plan to make that happen for them. I wanted to be able to have my wife come home from work and be able to accomplish one of her dreams to be a stay at home mom. September of 2oo9 we were able to accomplish that. Now my belief has grown in what is possible and all I have to do is keep doing what I have done to get her home to accomplish our new goals. So, I guess that would be the answer to your question about hard proof that we make money in this business. My wife is glad that I have been able to work it out.

My investment in this business was a joke compared to how much I spent on my college education to never even utilize my degree since the market for Loans and Mortgages fell out. We paid $350 roughly and of that $350 about $200 of it was used to buy an intro kit of usable products that my wife and I were able to use to gain experience with some of the more profitable products for us a new business owners.

It currently costs, under the Team INA model, $225 to get started. I always suggest that people allocate about $100 month to get the tools and training they need to run the business. Most business owners understand how rediculous these amounts are for an opportunity like the one we offer because they know how much they spend on theirs and normally it is in the thousands monthly.

More importantly 80% of the people today at the age of 65 are unable to write a check for $700. Neighborhoods that are considered Elderly are seeing more and more of their residents having to go back to work to cover their everyday expecnses. This also makes it hard for the younger generation to get into the work force with less jobs and more than ever that need them. This means the next generation is not getting the experience of employment that we had such an easy access to at their age.

I hope you can see that we are just trying to provide tools and training to those that want to challenge themselves in a legal business opportunity that allows them the security of owning their own business and growing it to the level that their abilities and dreams allow. If you get more information about how our bonuses are paid you will also see that we can’t make money by recruiting people to join. We strictly get paid by a percentage of the profit from the products that are moved through our organization which is how the regular box stores make their money.

I make more money in this business that the 7 people directly above me because of the business model and how it is profitable when you learn to make others successful. It isn’t profitable to join with the expectation that others will make you a millionaire without having a good amount of work invested in the process and becoming a good leader.

I hope this helps with some information. I still left room for you to learn more through a Team INA IBO if you truly want your questions answered and if not I wish you success anyway. I always appreciate people that aren’t affraid to work hard for their dreams and goals as long as it is in a legal moral and ethical way.

Thanks for your blog and I hope I contributed to the conversation in a positive way and respected your opinion.

Chris

Adam,

The reason that you don’t have a right to know how much I make is because you will not be a partner but an independent business owner. This is similar to a Real Estate Agent or any other independently contracted job. The efforts and output of this type of retail business is based solely on ones individual effort, therefore knowing what I make will in no way relate to what you will make. Knowing the bonus schedule and how to make the money will allow you to determine on your own what is realistic for you. I was under no assumption when I was a Realtor that I would be making what the top Realtor of my Brokerage made because there are more factors that just paying for my Realtor’s license to show the income.

My point is tha I’m not offering a partnership or an investment opportunity in my company. I’m offering a product line through Amway Global and their connections that are willing to share in their profits if you take ownership of creating some customer loyalty to their brands. Similar to purchasing a franchise where they don’t guarentee any earnings just for buying their franchise but they provide the tools that they have shown a higher rate of success.

You really want to know what products…I believe that currently there are 425 products ranging from laundry detergent and bar soap to air purifiers. Vitamins, light bulbs and anything else that you use in your home every day are also available. Anything that is manufactured by Amway Global can be sold for retail profit. We also make income by Purchasing products online from companies like Best Buy, Sears, Office Depot, Barnes and Noble, Omaha Steaks, Shop.com, and about 12oo other companies all that pay us a percentage of the purchases that we make through them online at the same price that you would pay through their website.

It is in creating loyalty to our online costco where they sell brand name items and their own brand as well. They make the best profit off their own things. Team INA is strictly a marketing company that promotes the Amway Global Business model in a way. They are one of about 37 different organizations within the Amway Global umbrella that have their own way of marketing the business plan.

In the most simple of terms Team INA promotes a way to redirect your buying habits out of the local store to purchase directly from the manufacturer through the Amway Global Portal and have them delivered directly to you. I get my Cheerios delivered to my home and get a check at the end of the month, and if I have a minimal amount of customer volume that in my case is approximately $150 in customer purchases of the name brand products per month. When I do that the FTC says that I deserve to get a percentage of the total gross business profit based on my percentage of the volume.

Really we are product based because we offer so many, just if you can buy it from yourself and get a few others to buy the things they are already buying from you instead, you can make some money in the process.

From our conversation I don’t believe sitting down with you would be a good use of my time for my business. I feel I would have to put way to much emphasis on changing your mindset that you created by researching opinions of failed IBO’s on the web. You truly get what you are searching for. If you look for negative feedback you will always find it. Time Warner, Microsoft, and every other fortune 500 company out there has negative opinions about them and the way they do business. Those opinions dont make them illegal “schemes”. If you really want to research true schemes get pissed at Social Security for truly running a Government Sponsored Ponzi Scheme.

I’m sure you will find someone in the area that would be more willing to work with you if you are truly looking for an additional opportunity for some income. I don’t just looking for anybody to show this business to, just those that are really open to looking at something outside the box.

I’m in the Vancouver WA area and if your information is still current, Oregon has quite a few representatives around. Good luck on your search.

I call your plan “Tardy Success”. You need someone else to prove it possible to make good money, then it is ok for you to try it. That just always make you late and then you will say…Now you have already done it so no one is interested in that anymore. Negative attitudes in business don’t go anywhere.

My advice is you stick with a job behind the scenes that doesn’t require any innovation or requirement to measure your own ability after a business plan is presented. In most investment opportunities by the way…they don’t prove it is successful before someone invests…they provide a business plan to show how the money will be made.

Honesty and transparency are very important in fostering a business relationship. Especially one where you tend to find mentorship in those that introduce you to the business. After reviewing multiple times now your interaction with Jeff through what you and everyone else with similar situations have shared, none of you where ever asked to join our organization. Jeff nor any of the other examples hadn’t gotten to a point where they could have even made the decision as to where they truly wanted you in their organization. So when you say that someone tried to pull you into their scheme is a bit rediculous. The next step to Jeff’s process for those that truly are interested, which is outlined in each one of the cd’s that were provided, is to get back together with the person that gave you the cd to receive more information about the business plan.

The Business Plan that we then provide is all of the structure and proof of profitability that you are asking for. It outlines where the money comes from, what is required to be met to reach certain income amounts and how to calculate your profitability on an individual level. We also talk about goal setting and strategy to highten the profitability as quickly as possible to make back your initial investment and create real hard numbers in profit. The exact numbers and figures that the FTC approves us to use are given. All the disclosures and legal safeguards are also provided so you can feel comfortable to make your own decision as to your potential within the business model. After all of your questions are answered and IF THE IBO IS INTERESTED ON HAVING YOU WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION, they make ask you to be a part of the team at that point.

It also doesn’t make sense for you to project your idea in anyway that I or any IBO is after your investment money to get signed up. We don’t touch a dime, nor to we get paid for your presence or acceptance of our business plan. I have only been upfront and direct with you throughout our discussion. I don’t take offense to your questions or attitude in anyway because I can genuinely understand how you feel the way you do. I just ask that before you smear an idea about an organization you get the facts. You decided to make an assumption without talking to anyone credible with information about the business practices and structure.

This just reminded me of the quote: “Don’t shoot the messenger.” You shot the messenger before you could have even decided if the message was good or bad and came to your own conclusion based on the other opinions of people that also shot before hearing the message.

I defend Team INA/Amway Global because out of the two of us, I alone have seen the full business plan. I alone have seen their business structure, bonus schedule and product line. I alone have done the appropriate research to determine it’s legality as a business based on court rulings not personal opinion (or in your words semantics). Your case about this whole situation is more than anything a frustration that Jeff wasn’t quicker to pull out a diagram and numbers and figures for you to make a decision on the spot. Or that he didn’t tell you I’m with Amway Global where in you could say… no thanks I don’t want to sell soap.

It is hard for us to do what you ask because we are bound by law to give proper disclosure and true to life facts with bonus figures and growth estimates that have been approved through the proper legal channels so that we don’t promise people what they can make. That is why my income statement or anyone else’s in this business is not valid for us to share as proof of profitability. It is against the law for me to say that as anything more than “In my personal experience…I have made this.” But once again you are asking for proof from, in your own words, a stranger who you have no confidence in. You would think that you would respect an organization that takes the time to provide all the information first before asking for any finacial or time commitment.

Bottom line is that you are a passerby of a company that you know nothing about telling others that it is a horrible, illegal, unethical business because they asked you to listen to a 15 minute cd. When in fact you just didn’t have the balls to commit to a get-together with Jeff where he was willing to give you all the information you are asking about. I don’t know if you are scared that you were going to be brainwashed, or that we are going to trick you into signing on the dotted line, or that you just aren’t confident that you can say “NO”, that is for you to figure out.

I have never had an individual or couple (since I mainly do this as a couple so that spouses don’t feel the same way you do once their other half comes home) walk away from either a one-on-one discussion or larger group meeting pissed that I did the process the way we do. In fact, after giving them even more information that they can review and research we normally set up another meeting to answer any questions that have arisen from their research. Then I follow that up with another meeting where they meet some of the other members that will be supporting and working with them.

We give people all the time they need because we aren’t just looking for anyone to be apart of our organization. Imagine…a company that walks you through about 4 different appointments that on average for me spread over a 2 week period for most prospective IBO’s before they and you decide if it is a viable business plan for their organizaion and your family. That is why people don’t walk away from our Information Sessions talking negatively about our business model. It is because, if they truly did their homework, they understand the validity of our business model and the potential that it has even more today than ever before.

Don’t be fooled that if you say enough times that we are an illegal scheme or that we just want to take your money that it is true. Ask yourself if you truly have heard our business plan and how our business makes it’s profit. How much doesn’t each IBO get as far as a bonus at the different tiers? Today more than ever people need to learn how to make money on their own whether it is a minimal amount each month, or a larger amount of side income. Not everyone has the free time to take on a second job. Not many opportunities come along that most people can afford with all the training included in the process and them truly being able to schedule it how they want around their own life issues.

Don’t be the one that deters someone from asking questions because you wrongfully claimed a business to be illegal or unethical. Get the facts.

The Team INA website is only a login site because it is not for marketing purposes. It is strictly a business tracking and management site for existing IBO’s to run reports. Sorry, but you can’t search through the web and find all the information without someone providing you access to our site.

We do business person-to-person. If you want to know what Team INA is all about find a representative and ask if they will take the time to sit down and review their business plan with you. It is as easy as that. If you aren’t willing to do that then, I can’t think of any other way of making that work for you. We are like many companies in the sense that we don’t just share our business plan to share it. Nor do we just post it online. I don’t know of any Fortune 500 company that does. We are willing to share it with those that truly want to know, but they need to make the time to get infront of someone.

I’ve offered you a solution to your answer. I’ve said that you need to sit down with an IBO and find out. That is not my opinion or my testimony. It is an invitation to action on your part.

I don’t condemn Jeff’s methods, because I’m not 100% sure of his intentions. If he was legitimately interested in a surge protector, then great. If he wasn’t then I don’t believe that is the right way to go about it. I don’t know what he saw in you at the time to begin the discussion about business. I can’t condemn the intentions or actions of someone else without that information.

We aren’t trained in any specific way to approach people in Team INA. There is no step by step process to meet someone and give them a cd. There is a process to the follow up and showing the business plan in order to disclose all the correct information and provide as much information as possible to help the prospective IBO to make an educated decision.

@Adam. I have enjoyed this exchange from beginning to end! I too have been solicited by a clandestine INA opportunist! As a matter of fact I was supposed to meet with him after work tomorrow! However something that happened today left a bad taste in my mouth. A man we’ll refer to as Mr. rich for now, approached me at work, after having assisted him. He dropped upon me the usual spiel and ego boosting compliments about my professionalism and the like. He then convinced me somehow to give up my email (the one I give out for spam) and my work number (just the one on my business card). He informs me that he will be sending me a link which I MUST view by Saturday. I told him that I would try to view it Saturday but I would also be busy (putting together my office’s Christmas party.) As it turned out, I was in fact too busy to view the link and I never got around to seeing what was on it. I might have tried to view it from my smart phone but he insisted that the link must be viewed via PC. Oops.

OK now this is where things got weird and uncomfortable. He calls me today notably irritated that I missed the time window to view the link. (why there was a time window I don’t know and it was never explained.) As a matter of fact, nothing has been explained other than the fact that he wants to introduce me to a web based business that he owns. At any rate, once he sensed my alarm at what almost seemed to be a rebuke from him, he quickly invited me to a general meeting which I quickly dismissed due to other commitments. It was then that he and I agreed to meet at a Starbucks on my lunch break tomorrow. Not five minutes later did he call me back and try to reschedule me for that evening after work stating time conflicts. I reluctantly agreed knowing and stating that my time will be extremely limited at that point.

After having concluded that conversation I left on my lunch break but feeling left with a bad taste in my mouth. Everything was starting to sound more and more like a pyramid scheme (oops I’m sorry multilevel marketing scheme.) What irritated me the most was that he was not forthcoming with ANYTHING!

I would have anyone on this thread who defends these practices understand something. I am no stranger to these so called recruiters. In the industry I work in, I have had all kinds of these people approach me, from AMWAY to Primerica to CutCo to Neuvo Riche! However this is the first time I have been approached in such a creepy and clandestine manner! I am glad I stumbled across this thread because I thought I was savvy and knew the tricks. @ Chris , there may well be opportunity in this company and those like it, otherwise why would there be so many “recruiters” lurking about in banks and retail stores? The problem Adam is trying to make isn’t just about questioning the potential success and profitability of members, he is also calling this INA company and those like it on the transparency (or lack thereof) of their practices! @ Adam, I agree and like what you had to say (save for the wanton atheist references/quips yes you are absolutely entitled to your own beliefs, I just don’t think your examples fit the context just my opinion .) I think you presented your evaluation of this company and those like it with intelligence and backed it up with sources of your own unlike those tea party morons (there a wanton reference of my own! lol) I thank you for posting this thread and saving me from wasting my time on this business that I know for a fact that I am not interested in! I am sending Mr. Rich and E-mail right now to let him know I “respectfully decline” his offer of partnership.

By the way, I didn’t even know he was part of Team INA! I had to extrapolate it from his e-mail address!
Thanks again!

I had some guy hit me up for the same thing at Home Depot. Said he admired my ambition and wanted me to build him a shed. Bla Bla bla .. Then called to meet about the shed . we met and didn’t even talk about the shed . All he talked about was his secret business.. So I investigated and found from the video link he sent me the INA.net web site . My investigation snowballed from there and gave me all I needed to know from there.. I am a carpenter.